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This Old Scuba Shop, Episode 2, Lord of the RIngs

Fri Jan 04, 2013 11:40 am

Sorry for that bad intro. :)

Recently Luis ask me to make some prototype body rings for the new Argonaut double hose reg that Bryan is producing and I though some of you might like to see the process. Besides, it gives me a chance to show off my new mill Santa brought for Christmas…the reindeer earned their oats that day.

A piece of corrosion resistant brass was procured for the rings. This stock was pretty rough on the outside and needed to be turned down some to clean it up. This thing is heavy….and expensive.
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Once it was cleaned up some, it was cut into manageable lengths, the outside and inside turned to the proper diameters and the ends squared up. Since it was going to be threaded inside, I needed lengths that I could thread so the stock was cut into 4- 1.5 inch lengths, about the maximum length I could easily thread.

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Threading the entire length is much easier than trying to thread each individual piece. I was “forced“ to buy a fancy new threading tool for this operation…..that’s my story and I am sticking to it. :D Threading on a lathe takes a good bit of setup. The proper drive gears have to be installed, the lathe tooling has to be correctly positioned and once that is done, the actual threading process is performed in multiple passes with the cutting tool adjusted before each pass. The slightest misstep and the piece is ruined.
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One of the 4 pieces threaded and ready to cut into rings.
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With any machining project, setup and special jigs often takes as much or more time to complete as the work does. For this project I had the make 2 work holders. One to hold the threaded length to cut it into sections and to cut the wrench slots and another to hold the individual rings in the lathe for rounding over the edges and cutting the chamfer on the ring.

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Once the blanks are threaded it’s over to the mill to separate the blanks into individual rings. The threaded blank is held in one of the tools I made earlier and a slitter saw is used to cut the blanks into rings.
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After the rings are separated, it’s back to the lathe and another holder to round over the edges, cut the chamfer in the ring and a general polishing.
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Next the wrench slots are cut on the mill, again the part holder is used to hold the work during the cutting process. My strobe stopped the action, brass pieces in mid air during the cutting process....man I love the new auto feed.
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Once the slots were cut it, the edges were touched up with a file to remove any major burs and into a vibrating polisher to smooth out any remaining rough edges. The final product, a pile of shiny new body rings.
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More photos can be found on Photobucket under Customscubatools.
Hope you all find these threads interesting.
Happy New Year and Safe diving.
Herman

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Re: This Old Scuba Shop, Episode 2, Lord of the RIngs

Fri Jan 04, 2013 1:36 pm

Thanks for sharing that Herman. Someday I'll have to learn how to use a mill and a lathe. I think that's really cool. :wink:

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Re: This Old Scuba Shop, Episode 2, Lord of the RIngs

Fri Jan 04, 2013 1:52 pm

Give some details on the change to the body ring and why we thought it was a good idea.
Always great to see a craftsman at work! Thank you for helping me save gozillions on trial and error and one off parts.
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Fri Jan 04, 2013 6:06 pm

Boy, that's really great, Herman :!:

Machining is getting to be a lost art. Is this somehing you've been working on learning a good while now? I'll have to keep my eyes out for a surplus 50's Bridgeport to have Santa drag your way as I'm sure all that cast iron would max out even the toughest Reindeer :shock: :wink:

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http://rochester.craigslist.org/tls/3422938695.html

Seems like I know somebody in Rochester... :| maybe he could put a downpayment on the lot for you, if you agreed to make 1 reproduction part, for every nuvo DH part off the line... :?
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Re: This Old Scuba Shop, Episode 2, Lord of the RIngs

Fri Jan 04, 2013 7:19 pm

The change to the rings is fairly minor. Luis has an off the shelf plumbing tool that can be used to remove the rings. The original rings had a wrench slot of about .200 inches, too small for the plumbing tool to fit unless it was ground down. The slots on these rings are cut to .3125 which is wide enough that the plumbing tool will work unmodified. Other ring tools will still work although they will have part of a turn play in them before they engage. The rings are backward compatible with the old regs, they have the same diameter and threads. I may have a few extra later if anyone needs one.

Fred, I have been learning machining for about the last 3 years. So far it’s all been self taught. I had hoped that the local technical school would have a course, they at one time had a first rate program but they no longer have the course. Seems teaching technical things is no longer cool now that they are a “Community College” instead of a Technical School. Machining, auto mechanics, plumbing and electronics have given way to more useful skills like business management, hotel/motel management and English as a second language. Guess that is the way of things. The job I am in we need electronic technicians - not computer geeks but people who actually know how electronics work, knows what ohms law is and can use a volt meter. We can not find anyone with those skills today, plenty of folks who can program a video game but no one who can fix it.

I would love to have an honest to goodness Bridgeport but I can't get one out to my shop without spending more on deliverly than it cost.
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Fri Jan 04, 2013 8:39 pm

Herman, I'll say it again: I admire your self-taught machining skills! You sure are a good man for vintage equipment restorers to know!
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Re: This Old Scuba Shop, Episode 2, Lord of the RIngs

Sat Jan 05, 2013 2:39 am

Herman wrote:... I would love to have an honest to goodness Bridgeport but I can't get one out to my shop without spending more on deliverly than it cost.
Whatdaya live in the middle of a swamp or somethin' ? :roll:

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Re: This Old Scuba Shop, Episode 2, Lord of the RIngs

Sat Jan 05, 2013 4:19 pm

- Very nice work Herman. You have taught yourself well! When I started into gun making, the books on machining were like engineering manuals and I wasn't picking up the general idea of it. I was lucky to find a local hands-on machinist who taught me and turned on the light. Tech students we have hired since then, did not have this hands-on understanding or capability... The schools don't seem to do much more than to expose them to a little of everything with a mastery of nothing.
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Re: This Old Scuba Shop, Episode 2, Lord of the RIngs

Sun Jan 06, 2013 1:47 pm

Fascinating.

Thank you for finding the time to stop work and document the process for the rest of us.
A sincere THANK YOU to all at VDH who make this wonderful resource available and to all the thoughtful contributors.

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Re: This Old Scuba Shop, Episode 2, Lord of the RIngs

Mon Jan 07, 2013 11:48 am

It's too bad that these guys are shutting down: http://www.lindsaybks.com/
I did some metal casting with some of the Gingery books. They had a lot of great books on machine work from the turn of the century. Still applies today, and is well suited for teaching yourself.

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Re: This Old Scuba Shop, Episode 2, Lord of the RIngs

Mon Jan 07, 2013 12:24 pm

Very impressive work as always. Thank you for sharing.
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