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Horse collar meets DIR and you get this ----

Sun Dec 09, 2012 11:41 pm

http://www.hollisgear.com/prodview.asp?id=147

Well, it looks pretty cool. Not sure if it comes with cup holders but I think I could get enough tools in it to do an overhaul on a RAM at 100 feet.

If I was going to make a new horse collar for scuba it would be self fabric or Hypalon. It would have a lower bladder and an upper bladder. It would have two D rings located on the collar, two on each side for attachment of bottles, lights. At least one large, pleated pocket with zipper. It would have optional CO2 for the upper bag and it would have a lift ring behind the neck that would be capable of lifting the diver. The harness would be more like some of the weight suspenders and I see no reason that it could not be weight integrated.

In fact one idea I have is a front bladder BC that uses a back plate but instead of being between the plate and tank it would attach to the standard back plate webbing at four points on the chest area. The attach points could be shared with the two shoulder D rings and two waist D rings left and right. The standard plate and webbing would allow a heavy duty harness for lifting the diver if needed.

If was going to to design a wing it would not be a wing, it would be a catamaran. A bladder on either side only interconnected by a two inch tube. It would be Hypalon or some other self fabric, not a bag in a bag type construction. The cross section of the bag would be a triangle wedge with the wedge into the tank and the expanding base of the triangle controlled by elastic straps so it would collapse flat and roll in. About 16 pounds of lift is enough. It could be augmented by a belly bag, optional, that would clip across the webbing at about the waist strap level with a oral or CO2 inflator to provide front flotation and could double as a sausage float.

Hey, it could be called the Kitty Kat Katamaran. No, not really, :mrgreen: but I would call it a Catamaran.

Nem

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Re: Horse collar meets DIR and you get this ----

Mon Dec 10, 2012 10:25 am

If I was going to make a new horse collar for scuba it would be self fabric or Hypalon. It would have a lower bladder and an upper bladder. It would have two D rings located on the collar, two on each side for attachment of bottles, lights. At least one large, pleated pocket with zipper. It would have optional CO2 for the upper bag and it would have a lift ring behind the neck that would be capable of lifting the diver. The harness would be more like some of the weight suspenders and I see no reason that it could not be weight integrated.Nem[/quote]


So, a better built Dacor Seachute?

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Re: Horse collar meets DIR and you get this ----

Mon Dec 10, 2012 11:01 am

It needs a few magazine and grenade pockets.
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Mon Dec 10, 2012 11:26 am

captain wrote:It needs a few magazine and grenade pockets.
:lol: :lol: :lol:
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Re: Horse collar meets DIR and you get this ----

Mon Dec 10, 2012 3:47 pm

One can never have too many magazine and grenade pockets, it guarantees "ain't dere no more" encounters.
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Mon Dec 10, 2012 5:40 pm

- My OxyCheq 18 lb Travelor seems pretty close to what you describe for a Catamaran. I love it because it doesn't flip-flap in the current and gives me as much buoyancy as I need.
- I've got a set of Double 80's I can't wear the OxyCheq with and plan to use a vintage horsecollar BC I got from The Scuba Museum. Funny that there is still a place for Horsecollar... Enough for Hollis to come out with this new one.
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Re: Horse collar meets DIR and you get this ----

Mon Dec 10, 2012 6:40 pm

Chris has been making them for at least 8 years I can remember...

http://www.rapiddiver.com/store/page9.html
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Re: Horse collar meets DIR and you get this ----

Mon Dec 10, 2012 10:02 pm

JAdair wrote: So, a better built Dacor Seachute?
Yes, similar, that would be my inspiration as I owned two of them. But, the bag in a bag construction, never been a fan of that even though everything has it these days. They both expired, as in completely fell apart :( . Inner bags fell apart, then the outer Cordura nylon covering came apart but they were great pieces of equipment, loved mine. Lasted a long time, a lot of dives on them.

The Seatec is still available in a military version and supposedly can be ordered in the civilian version. Which seems to be about the best of it's type.


The Rapid Diver looks cool but not what I would want. It is more like a Fenzy on steroids. Which is not a bad thing maybe.

Hypalon is no longer manufactured of course, I think DuPont closed the plant. Apparently EPA issues and newer materials. Perhaps instead of Hypalon, something like Duotex, like Zodiac uses. It is a thermo-weldable PVC material.

Just dreaming, at the moment.

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Re: Horse collar meets DIR and you get this ----

Tue Dec 11, 2012 12:15 pm

Nemrod wrote:Hypalon is no longer manufactured of course, I think DuPont closed the plant. Apparently EPA issues and newer materials. Perhaps instead of Hypalon, something like Duotex, like Zodiac uses. It is a thermo-weldable PVC material.

Just dreaming, at the moment.

Nem
Got me searching since I really liked my Hypalon Zodiac, found this:

http://corpapps.anixter.com/AXECOM/AXED ... July09.pdf

Interesting information on the product.

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Re: Horse collar meets DIR and you get this ----

Tue Dec 11, 2012 7:22 pm

JAdair wrote:
Nemrod wrote:Hypalon is no longer manufactured of course, I think DuPont closed the plant. Apparently EPA issues and newer materials. Perhaps instead of Hypalon, something like Duotex, like Zodiac uses. It is a thermo-weldable PVC material.

Just dreaming, at the moment.

Nem
Got me searching since I really liked my Hypalon Zodiac, found this:

http://corpapps.anixter.com/AXECOM/AXED ... July09.pdf

Interesting information on the product.
And I really like my Novurania Cancura Hypalon 14 foot inflatable. Super dive boat.

N

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Re: Horse collar meets DIR and you get this ----

Fri Feb 22, 2013 5:02 am

USdiver wrote:One can never have too many magazine and grenade pockets, it guarantees "ain't dere no more" encounters.
I agree,there are not having more magazines and the pockets also..But what are the major alternatives for it?

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