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Bryan
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Rent a Double Hose ?

Mon Sep 22, 2008 9:53 am

I may regret doing this but it's been in the back of my head so long and it just won't get out until I give it a shot......I'm going to take my RAM with a hookah port nut, banjo fitting and pressure gauge. Put it in a pelican case and rent it out to prospective vintage divers.......If it works well I may have a larger pelican case with 6 regulators in it and rent that for DOUBLE HOSE night at your dive shop!
You would pay me by Pay Pal, $250.00 plus actual UPS shipping both ways and I would send you the case. You take it diving as much as you like for a week or week end and then when you are done simply put it in the Pelican case, stick on the pre-addressed UPS label that comes in the box and when I get it back and see that you have not screwed up my regulator I PayPal you back $200.00......Oh and I'd need a faxed waiver or some release.....Ok.....Feedback please from everyone...
Doing it right should include some common sense, not just blindly following specs and instructions. .Gary D, AWAP on SB

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Mon Sep 22, 2008 10:08 am

In October i will be sending you the RAM I purchased from you for repairs. The reason it needs repairs is i loaned it out to a friend. When i got it back it was freeflowing (looks like it was dropped). I think renting regs is a great way to promote double hose diving BUT if they don't own it they don't know how to use it or have a desire to take care of it. Plus any thing they do wrong will be YOUR FAULT.

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Mon Sep 22, 2008 10:16 am

I agree there could be some problems but my idea/goal/mission/destination is to get more people interested in our small corner of the diving world.....My RAM is a battle axe to beat all and it keeps on ticking. I can give it a good checkup between folks using it and I will send some instructions on it's use and hopefully they will do some reading around here as well.....May end up being one big albatross??? Nothing risked, nothing gained!
Doing it right should include some common sense, not just blindly following specs and instructions. .Gary D, AWAP on SB

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Mon Sep 22, 2008 11:42 am

I think doublehose rentals is a great idea for generating interest in vintage diving. One thing you could do to prevent damage to the gear is to put an additional charge on it, that is refundable upon return of the equipment (and no damage is found).
The renter would (or should) then be extra careful not to mess anything up.
Just my 2 cents..
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Mon Sep 22, 2008 12:02 pm

capn_tucker wrote:I think doublehose rentals is a great idea for generating interest in vintage diving. One thing you could do to prevent damage to the gear is to put an additional charge on it, that is refundable upon return of the equipment (and no damage is found).
The renter would (or should) then be extra careful not to mess anything up.
Just my 2 cents..
You should read Bryan’s first post.
Luis

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Mon Sep 22, 2008 12:23 pm

I want to think that most divers would be careful and I understand that sometimes things break....But 2 hosers are pretty tough to begin with...My RAM will never win any beauty contests anyway....If it gets us some more divers or at least gets more people talking then it's worth the risk I think.....
Doing it right should include some common sense, not just blindly following specs and instructions. .Gary D, AWAP on SB

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Mon Sep 22, 2008 12:34 pm

Bryan, I think it is a great idea if we did not live the society we live in. Everything is NOT the fault of the person who breaks it, or missuses it. You will have nothing but heartache I am afraid. It will take just one stroke to missuse the reg or whatever and they will threaten to sue you, VDH, My cat Lika, and the President. People threaten to sure for a lot less. We on this forum know about that more than anyone. You have been given the shaft by other people in the past when trying to do something nice and I am afraid this will be more of the same.
The only way I can see this working out MAYBE is if you were there supervising the divers and even then I am not too sure.

It is a great idea, but I hate to see you and VDH suffer because of it.

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Mon Sep 22, 2008 1:06 pm

Well Lika was elected the CEO,CFO and COO of VDH Worldwide so she can deal with it. Just put her on the phone like you do when telemarketers call you up....Meow Meow! Perhaps she wants to get some of Luis and Christines furry friends for her board of directors :lol: :lol:
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Mon Sep 22, 2008 1:23 pm

I like.....I like.....LIKA, that is.......

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Lika....CEO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! MEOW

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Mon Sep 22, 2008 1:35 pm

Bryan wrote:Well Lika was elected the CEO,CFO and COO of VDH Worldwide so she can deal with it. Just put her on the phone like you do when telemarketers call you up....Meow Meow! Perhaps she wants to get some of Luis and Christines furry friends for her board of directors :lol: :lol:
Thanks I got a chuckle out of that.


I like the idea, but you need to reserve the right to refuse a rental. What I mean is that with a rental request form there should be a questionnaire to try to evaluate if they are suitable renters.
For example:
• Have you ever used a DH before?
• Any friends or mentors that dive DH that you will be diving with? Please provide names.
• Are you a member of VDH or VSS?
• How long have you been reading VDH or VSS?
• How long have you been diving?
• What vintage instructional diving books have you read?
• Is your interest with vintage equipment in general, the use of DH for photography, the cool factor of using a DH regulator, or other? Please explain.

• Age?
• Certification level? Photo copy of cert required.

• Etc…etc…


In essence they should almost provide a small resume explaining their interest and experience.

You need to protect yourself with a waiver and business contract where they agree that they will pay for all your legal fees if and when they sue you.

But, you also want the information above to try to screen out people who are not going to really be good customers. As we all know, if an uninformed potential customer just takes out a DH it could just as easily be a turn off to that individual if he or she doesn’t know how to use it.

If done properly, the screening/ rental application form could become the first step to a bit of education for that individual.

Just some ideas…
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Mon Sep 22, 2008 1:38 pm

1969ivan1 wrote:I like.....I like.....LIKA, that is.......

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Lika....CEO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! MEOW
Yes, she is a great cat.
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Mon Sep 22, 2008 3:03 pm

luis wrote:
capn_tucker wrote:I think doublehose rentals is a great idea for generating interest in vintage diving. One thing you could do to prevent damage to the gear is to put an additional charge on it, that is refundable upon return of the equipment (and no damage is found).
The renter would (or should) then be extra careful not to mess anything up.
Just my 2 cents..
You should read Bryan’s first post.
Sorry, I read through it too fast; didn't catch that..
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Mon Sep 22, 2008 6:30 pm

We have several Scuba Shop owners on the forum (both current and former). Let's hear what they have to say about a VDH rental program.

Between them, they probably have been renting gear for years now and can provide invaluable guidance and helpful suggestions that will help you avoid many of the pitfalls that have been mentioned in this thread. 8)
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Mon Sep 22, 2008 7:45 pm

I think it is an excellent offer and a way to re-expose divers to the vintage diving following. I would include a "manual" on this site so prospective renters can become aquainted with the differences of the double hose regulators vs modern single hose regulators. Tim

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Mon Sep 22, 2008 8:09 pm

DiverTim wrote:I think it is an excellent offer and a way to re-expose divers to the vintage diving following. I would include a "manual" on this site so prospective renters can become aquainted with the differences of the double hose regulators vs modern single hose regulators. Tim
Do you mean like this ?

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