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Discussion of diving methods and equipment available prior to the development of BCDs beyond the horse collar. This forum is dedicated to the pre-1970 diving.
SDAquamaster

Sun Feb 25, 2007 10:51 pm

crimediver wrote:I understand the jumper cable philosophy. When doing a dive recovery for a small item, make it look good. Even if you find it right away, burn some air and come up now and then draped in moss and take some surface bearings. Repeat as necessary.
I agree, I fixed an intake line that froze in the ice and then broke when the ice shifted. A 15 minute job tops for the actual work even in zero viz. But I had to drive and hour and a half each way to get there, suit up, and setup the equipment. Then when done I had to clean the muck off everything, pack up and drive home.

Once his livestock had water again, he saw no need to hold to the original price and felt that only 15 minutes of work was not worth the bid he accepted from me for the job. It ended up in small claims court 6 months later and I eventually got paid, but it was a pain.

I've had similar conversations with irrigators needing headgates freed when they will not close all the way. Once the job is done they see it as an "easy" 6 or 8 ft dive, not a dive where you have to carefully place a suitably constructed plug over most of the stuck open head gate (meaning you line it up as carefully as you can and then let it get violently sucked into place against the gate) and then chisel away the encrustations to allow the gate to close while the difference in water pressure trys to suck you, your hands and your tools through the remaining opening. It's not fun and it's worth every penny. Based on experience with payment problems, I ask for payment in advance and write them a check back for the hours I don't use and won't bill them for.

standingup

Sun Feb 25, 2007 11:26 pm

I wish someone would explain to me why only a doctor or lawyers education and experience counts in setting the price. I used to tell customers that were intelligent enough "your paying for the experience -training and equipment setup and takedown time. The actual work time I throw in for free.

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fishb0y
Lung Diver
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Location: Poulsbo, WA

Mon Feb 26, 2007 1:41 am

I've never had a no payment problem... however I gave Hickam AFB a quote for inspecting their mooring balls and floating docks... $450 (about 10 hours of work in my estimate), extra if I had to repair any moorings. After them sitting on my bid for 2-months the guy in charge of outdoor services thought the price was too high (he came to me, BTW).

Anyhow, about a month after he turned me down, their primary floating dock did what it was named after... it floated away.

I still have a little chuckle when I see it tied off to another pier (it was still there today, and it's been about 6 months).

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treasureman
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Mon Feb 26, 2007 12:14 pm

There is no end to the cheapskates that will try to nickel and dime you out of your hard earned pay.

Having learned the hard way, I now ask the person if they want to join me on the dive. When they reply they dont know how to dive, it is an admission they dont know jack. I too have learned for asking payment in advance.

I charge 50 for a bounce dive which is usually no more than 15 minutes. Anything more than that the price goes up. I bring the paper and pen and get it all signed nice and neat on a promisorry note, which is as close to a judgment you can get without going to court. If they go stupid, all i do is serve the paopers on them and the court, its literally aN AUTOMATIC JUDGMENT BECAUSE OF THE PROMISSORY NOTE. i NEVER DO a no cure no pay anymore. days of kindness and fairness are goe, unless the clients really is a good looking mermaid in which case my brain seems to go into park and i end up working for peanuts.


the flesh is weak even though the mind is strong.
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Bon Vivant, and treasure finder

SDAquamaster

Mon Feb 26, 2007 7:15 pm

treasureman wrote:i NEVER DO a no cure no pay anymore. days of kindness and fairness are goe, unless the clients really is a good looking mermaid in which case my brain seems to go into park and i end up working for peanuts.
For the most part you are right.

However I recovered a hammer once for the cartaker of one of the local marinas where my boat was slipped (It had a great deal of sentimental value as it had been his fathers hammer). About a week later I recovered his wife's glasses and I charged them nothing for either job as they were just plain nice people. From that day forward, I always had the parking space closest to my boat reserved for me (and blocked to ensure no one else parked there anyway) no matter how busy the weekend.

They were good people, I miss them, and I wish there were more like them.

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