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SurfLung
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My HPR DAAM Build

Wed Mar 19, 2025 9:22 am

My High Performance 2nd Stage DAAM Project
New HPR 2nd Stage and Diverter Mouthpiece from The Scuba Museum
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The HPR Second Stage Upgrade is BACK!
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My Latest Double Hose Regulator Build...
- Rob's Scuba Museum has put the original "HPR" second stage upgrade back into production. This little unit makes super tuning your DA AquaMaster or Royal AquaMaster much easier. And their latest "Diverter Mouthpiece" takes the whole project a step further. So here's how the Super Tuning Process works (as I understand it)...
1. Reduce the "Cracking Effort" by reducing the spring tension on the 2nd stage seat.
2. Increase the Venturi Flow affect by blocking the bleed air ports (aka secondary ports)


Cracking Effort
- This is the minimum inhale effort to open the seat and feed air thru the mouthpiece. It's measured in INCHES of Water Column because original instruments worked off a column of water. Nowadays we use a Magnehelic gauge...
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And, you hook the magnelhelic to the mouthpiece of your regulator. Here's my magnehelic hose setup.
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- Before adjusting, I measured my cracking effort on the magnehelic and it was 1.7 inch wc. Then to adjust it, I backed the HPR body out 1/2 turn and measured again. It came down to 1.4 inch WC. So, I backed the HPR out another half turn but this made it leak air. Now, I was aiming for .5 inch wc so I'm at a road block. I called Luis Heros and he asked if my High Pressure diaphragm was old and stiff. So I opened up the first stage and looked...
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- If your HP Diaphragm looks like the one above, it's time to put in a new one! I did that and was able to tune the cracking effort down to .7 inch wc! So, that part of the Super Tune was good enough for me!

Increasing Venturi Flow
- The Venturi flow is when the air comes out of the 2nd stage fast enough to create a sort of vacuum that's powerful enough to hold the 2nd stage seat open and cause a free flow from the Primary port. The Secondary ports are more accurately called "Bleed Air Ports" because they bleed air away from the Venturi and provide a way to control the flow. So if you want to adjust the Venturi flow you can block the Bleed Air Ports to a greater or lesser degree. The problem is that blocking just one of the ports on an original DAAM 2nd stage causes it to free flow out of control. You can hand make adjustments like drilling smaller Bleed Hole Ports. But the HPR makes it a lot easier than that. And so does the new flow Diverter mouthpiece... It can handle more Venturi flow without free flowing uncontrollably.
- Our first flow diverter mouthpiece was the DSV from the VDH Kraken regulator. This new Diverter Mouthpiece from the Scuba Museum is even MORE capable. I spoke with Luis Heros and he gave me a rule of thumb approach...
1. If you have a stock mouthpiece, don't block the Bleed Air Ports
2. If you have a DSV mouthpiece, just block ONE of the Bleed Air Ports
3. With the new Diverter Mouthpiece, you can BLOCK BOTH Bleed Air Ports.

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The HPR can be mounted without blocking either of the Bleed Air Ports. To add in some blockage, use nylon hex nuts. These nuts can be fine tuned by beveling the blocking face to get a partial block of a bleed air port. Really the sky is the limit on how much fine tuning the HPR and Diverter mouthpiece allow you to do.
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Make it Easy on Yourself
- Super Tuning involves a lot of taking apart and putting back together. I found that a band clamp with the Voit type thumb screw closure makes this a lot easier. I think the Scuba Museum has both of these items...
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Finished Reg is a Super Easy Breather...
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Note:
NEVER breathe directly
from the horn of a double hose regulator!


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The new Diverter Mouthpiece...
1. Internal Flow Diverter allows super tuning Venturi flow... If you want to.
2. Includes one (1) removable mouthpiece...
- Fits many styles and sizes of standard mouthpieces.
3. Fits DA AquaMaster Hoses.
4. Comes in Attractive Colors.
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Vintage Diving Technique are Why I Got Back Into Diving.

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Re: My HPR DAAM Build

Wed Mar 19, 2025 11:15 am

Nice write up Eben.Thanks for putting that together. I can't wait to see the reg in action!

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Re: My HPR DAAM Build

Wed Mar 19, 2025 2:21 pm

SurfLung wrote:
Wed Mar 19, 2025 9:22 am

- Before adjusting, I measured my cracking effort on the magnehelic and it was 1.7 inch wc. Then to adjust it, I backed the HPR body out 1/2 turn and measured again. It came down to 1.4 inch WC. So, I backed the HPR out another half turn but this made it leak air. Now, I was aiming for .5 inch wc so I'm at a road block. I called Luis Heros and he asked if my High Pressure diaphragm was old and stiff. So I opened up the first stage and looked...

- If your HP Diaphragm looks like the one above, it's time to put in a new one! I did that and was able to tune the cracking effort down to .7 inch wc! So, that part of the Super Tune was good enough for me!
Hi Eben,

I am glad everything worked out, but I was actually asking you about the low pressure, second stage diaphragm (the one that is 4.5 inches in diameter).

Some of the old second stage diaphragms are so stiff that I have placed lots of little weights on top of them before they show any flexing. A stiff second stage diaphragm will directly affect and produce a high cracking effort.

Bryan had some supper soft, super flexible second stage diaphragms that are supper performers, but most decent diaphragms should work OK.


Have fun.
Luis

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Re: My HPR DAAM Build

Thu Mar 20, 2025 12:51 pm

@luis wrote:...I am glad everything worked out, but I was actually asking you about the low pressure, second stage diaphragm (the one that is 4.5 inches in diameter).
Ha! Thanks Luis... I think my mind was still in Snark III Silver mode from the "Sand Dog Snark" rebuild... That one had a leak that was caused by a hardened 1st stage diaphragm. It DID help to change the 1st stage diaphragm on this HPR DAAM so like you say... Glad everything worked out. (Note: I am already using a brand new silicone 2nd stage diaphragm from Rob)

Thanks again Luis for your help, explanations, and references. The nylon nuts and stainless screws you advised worked perfectly. I ordered qty 100 each from McMaster-Carr so I have a bunch left... Will give them to Rob when I see him at Sand Dog.

I've thought up a couple of questions about the Flow Diverter in the Diverter mouthpiece:
1. Since it adds a level of control to the Venturi flow, does it diminish the volume or assistance when you breathe?
2. When you're treading water and the regulator body sits a little lower than the mouthpiece, does the flow diverter help keep the mouthpiece from free flowing when it's not in your mouth?
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Re: My HPR DAAM Build

Thu Mar 20, 2025 4:53 pm

SurfLung wrote:
Thu Mar 20, 2025 12:51 pm

I've thought up a couple of questions about the Flow Diverter in the Diverter mouthpiece:
1. Since it adds a level of control to the Venturi flow, does it diminish the volume or assistance when you breathe?
2. When you're treading water and the regulator body sits a little lower than the mouthpiece, does the flow diverter help keep the mouthpiece from free flowing when it's not in your mouth?

1) No, it does not. The diverter just diverts the flow into your mouth.
The flow is totally controlled by the diver’s inhalation. Your lungs are a dead-end to the gas flow. While you are inhaling it will flow, and when you stop inhaling the flow will stop. There is no place for the gas to go without making a U turn in your mouth.

Note: the actual volume of gas supplied by any demand valve is only determined by the volume demanded by the divers lungs. The only thing that changes from a good performing demand valve and a poor performer is how much work (in the form of suction) the diver has to exert. As long as you are getting a full breath, you are always getting the same volume, the difference is how much work it took. :)

With the enhanced venturi flow, the only work should be to initiate the flow by overcoming the cracking effort, to open the valve. It just happens that the cracking effort is what divers notice (or perceive) the most.


2) Not at all. The free flowing is even more violent due to the enhanced venturi. My testing shows that the diverter, diverts the flow (change the direction), it does very minimal (or no) restriction when the mouthpiece is out of your mouth.

Without "the diver" in the loop, the enhanced venturi flow (with the bleed-air-ports blocked) will empty an aluminum 80 in just minutes, this is the case out of the new mouthpiece, or a vintage mouthpiece. The major difference is that with a vintage mouthpiece the flow just goes out the exhaust.


There is a design for a mouthpiece plug that should be used when the mouthpiece is out of your mouth on the surface. I shared the design with Rob, but I don’t know if he has done anything with it.
Luis

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Re: My HPR DAAM Build

Fri Mar 21, 2025 10:09 am

Glad to see Rob is picking up the ball and running with it.

Waiting for the Phoenix reintroduction...
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